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Very strange IDSF Rules.

   
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Very strange IDSF Rules.

quinta-feira, 26 de outubro de 2006 12:30

In Olympic Games if someone competes in say 800metre freestyle swimming they must swim 800metres. They are not allowed to swim 100 metres rest for 100 metres whils al other couples swim and then join in again for last 600 metres.

In IDSF championship couples can take a rest for 3 dances and save energy.  This is what actually happened in 2006 IDSF European Union 10 Dance Championship. 

 Winner danced only 27 dances but all other finalists 30.

This is cheating and worse than taking an alleged stimulant which may or may not help to retain energy.

 

Spaeker says "We have better rules than Olympics". 

That is crazy. This rule MUST be changed.

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Re: Vers strange IDSF Rules.

quinta-feira, 26 de outubro de 2006 12:51

 I agree, but IDSF generally has ....rules:-)
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Re: Vers strange IDSF Rules.

sexta-feira, 27 de outubro de 2006 9:35

i agree too ! it's very strange, and for me a nosense ! 
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Re: Very strange IDSF Rules.

segunda-feira, 6 de novembro de 2006 22:01

Even in the Olympics  weight lifters are allowed to skip lifting the weights that they know they can lift easily - they too safe energy and strength.

 

The high jumpers can also skip jumps, as long as they are confident they can make the next.

 

Do you think it takes much stamina  having  20    minutes rest/wait  between induvidual dances  if for example the competition is well attended ( let say  120 couples in a category, 12 couples on the floor per heat,  resulting in 10 heats,  each heat taking 2 minutes to enter and leave the floor.  Would such a 'harsh' pace exhaust trained dancers,  and put them in disadvantage against those with *   or  ** ? 

 

Stimulants do not help you retain energy ...stimulants stimulate,  stimulants give a feeling of 'less tired', 'more able', provide energy from the reserves that normaly would not be available . Lets do not make parallels when discussing Rules. Stimulants are a bad news for any sport,  the consensus was made and Olympics endorse and reinforce the ban. 

 

 

 

 

Have I misunderstood the question ?

 

Dancing 27 and 30 dances sound like a real marathon,  but how much rest and wait time is there between individual heats and dance .  Often there is an intermission and dancers change, get massages, leave premisses to  have lunch or  dinner.

 

More often than less those having *,  and ** are in disadvatage as the others have had the opportunity to test the floor and get all warmed up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Very strange IDSF Rules.

terça-feira, 7 de novembro de 2006 9:07

Jazz hello.  I think you do not compare like with like.

 

Weight Lifters and High Jumpers at start of a competition do not know how many lifts or jumps they must make to win.  They are not told it is one round and final or 5 rounds and final like dance competitors.  

Weight Lifters and High Jumpers compete to lift heavier or jump higher than others. -  I just realise maybe this is how some people "dance" quickstep :-)  

They are not required to all jump same height or lift same weight.  They decide themselves. That is nature of their sport. 

They get 3 chances at every new weight and height they choose to try. Miss out and they are eliminated.   They can even make two attempts at one weight or height and fail and then choose to try heavier or higher and have one more attempt.

There is additonal benefit if you do make fewer attempts.  There is an incentive  to make less attempts.  Many times in high jump all couples reach same height and winner is one who made less attempts. 

 

Do we want dance competitions where:

 winner is couple who dances less dances  :-). 

In every round every heat has three attempts at same dance but if you think you already have enough marks you sit out after one attempt?

Couple says thank you I will pass second round and only join in third round.

 

800 metres swimming means you must swim 800metres.  400 metres hurdle mean you must run 400 metres and jump same number of hurdles.  Golf you must play all 18 holes each round.  Tennis you must play certain number of sets.

If for some reason you cannot then you are eliminated..  

 

Surely a 10  yes TEN Dance competition means you should dance 10 dances each round?

This was not a case where there was * or ** exemption in early round/s.

 

This event - European Union TEN Dance Championship - there were only 16 entries. 

Each of 25 European Union member countries could enter - well there was confusion and originally rules said ONE couple per member country and then on programme it said 2 couples per country.  Some Countries sent no competitors in fact 14 couples came from 10 East European member countries who ony joined EU in May 2004. .

In first round 15 couples danced 10 dances and 1 only 7.  In Semi Final 12 coules danced 10 dances and Final 6 couples danced 10 dances  So in Final 5 couples had performed a total of 30 dances and

1 - the winner - only 27,  Many people were not happy at this.

 

Remember also that in first round because they did not dance all dances this could have impact on couples recalled for semi final.  A couple could have had marks that they would not have received if all couples danced all dances

 9 judges 3 dances makes 27 marks  That can make a huge difference in first round recalls.    

This championship 45 marks got you into semi

 

Would you really be happy to see

lets us say  Stokkebroe dance but do NOT go onto floor for any standard dances just the Latin and always get enough marks to progress.  So final they do not dance standard and get 6 6 6 6 6 and in Latin 1 1 1 1 1  Total 35. 

In last World Champioships 35 would get you third place.  

Is ths what a 10 Dance Competition means?  Or should a couple dance 10 dances each round?

Can I just say that once Stokkebroe was excellent 10 Dance Champion with good standard dances and I only mention them to show what could happen..  

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Re: Very strange IDSF Rules.

sexta-feira, 10 de novembro de 2006 4:22

Hi polkadancer,

 

have we not bigger fish to fry ?  I consider this a rather insignificant and a waste of time.

 

So what if let say  Dominico Soale does not dance the first 2 rounds if the rules allow it. He would be invited to the next round if he sat on the floor for all 5 dances.  The only people who miss out are spectators who pay good admission fee to see top caliber dancing.  Do you think we would have a better chance then him to get to the next level ? If not,  why complain.  naturally if you had just 16 couples someone may have messed up,  woukd not be the first time,  but we discuss significant events here,  don' we Confused [*-)] ?

 

I thought you were saying those who dance 27 dances instead of 30 somehow have advantage because they saved energy.....that was my whole point of responding to you, and my disagreemnt.

 

It is of course your opinion and you are right to be displeased about the fairness .....yet, you suggested there were many mistakes organizing this competition with many irregularities,  oerhaps this was one of them.  To be perfectly honest,  i'd be more upset with biased, unfair judging, where results are predetermined,  where marks are bought,  where collusion and cooperation exists among corrupted judges etc.

 Strange Rule:  What does the Rule say,  what is the definition,  what rule #,  is it on Mr. Speakers URL ?

Cheers !

 

 

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Re: Very strange IDSF Rules.

sexta-feira, 10 de novembro de 2006 7:30

Jazz - and how can you be sure that this was not a predetermined result?

Many believed that it was. 

 

I have to say that any instance where one couple is given an advantage over other competitiors is a big issue.

 

Jazz youwrote  "have we not bigger fish to fry ?  I consider this a rather insignificant and a waste of time."   think you are a little confused becaue in another thread you want to be critical of  people when they write about other big issues.

 

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