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Re: WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

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onyourtoes
Joined on 12 fev 2007
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Re: WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

quinta-feira, 24 de abril de 2008 12:47

Interesting that at the IDSF web site one can read threats about this event.

 

"IDSF athlets"may not particpate.  Excuse me!!  IDSF has NO athletes.

All dancers belong to associations in their own country and not IDSF

 

"IDSF Adjudicators" may not participate.  I was not aware IDSF had trained Adjudicators.  I thought they simply licensed those who spent a few hours at one of their "sessions".

Now how many Professionals who have respect for themselves and their profession are going to accept this restriction in their right to trade ?  Doubly important this is an Amateur organisation taking a dictatorial stand against Professionals.

 

Will be very interesting to see how the likes of Mr. Armstrong the President of the British Dance Council the World Dance Council member for the U.K. respond.    Will hypocrisy win over integrigty?

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onyourtoes
Joined on 12 fev 2007
Total posts: 72

Re: No. 1 WDC Am League OPEN World Am Championships

sábado, 26 de abril de 2008 7:52

 @Moderate Man. Iam replying here because somehow my post was duplicated and this one does not have all the strange symbols. 

It is interesting to note the differences between the two major organisations in our dance world.  When the IPDSC decided to hold a World Professional Championship there was an initial knee jerk reaction from the WDC announcing that WDC registered competitors could not compete and WDC adjudicators could suffere discrimination  if they adjudicated.  Common Sense prevailed and within a very short time the WDC gave permission for dancers to compete and  Adjudicators to officiate.

What a contrast to the IDSF.

It would seem that whereas WDC are confident in the loyalty of everyone associated with them this is not the case for the IDSF.  IDSF are afraid that they cannot depend on the loyalty of dancers or adjudicators-

 

 

 

 

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sambatogo
Joined on 29 ago 2007
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Re: No. 1 WDC Am League OPEN World Am Championships

domingo, 27 de abril de 2008 19:56

onyourtoes you are so right!!!

Sambatogo encourages all competitors to go to the WDC world championships in paris and participate in a great event with great qualified WDC adjudicators and defend freedom also.

Unlike in Canada where intimidation and infighting has spoilt everything. And dancers are the ones losing. Despite what adwizz says in other parts of this forum, polotics and the boycotts that are taking place are having a very real and poor effect on Canadian dancing. At its all time worst now. All promoted by CADA, CDF and the IDSF. Shame on them all!!  

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keggs
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Re: No. 1 WDC Am League OPEN World Am Championships

domingo, 27 de abril de 2008 20:23

The wonderful WDC doesn't get involved in  politics I suppose. They can be trusted completely.

BS

Regards

Steve

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onyourtoes
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Total posts: 72

Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

segunda-feira, 28 de abril de 2008 8:21

@Keggs.  I really do not see that dancing is served in any way by your becoming offensive when you cannot cope with the actual topic.The topic is oppresion and  intimidation against courage and integrity.

There are a further two areas where integrity is needed.  BDF and BDFI are supposedly to protect the rights of their members and for their  right to carry out their trade. Based on this every member of the BDF and BDFI Executives should return their IDSF licences

Is there any integrity in those Amateurs intimidated by IDSF into not competing anywhere they choose one day turning Professional and then wanting to join WDC and compete against the best in the World?  They should feel ashamed if this is their ambition. or else show courage now.  .

 

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moderate-man
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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

segunda-feira, 28 de abril de 2008 12:15

Dear Onyourtoes

I agree with you. Keggs has claimed on other posts to be a Professional, however on the evidence so far that is only by qualification not in attitude unfortunately. This, of course, is his problem not ours.

I agree also with regard to individuals returning their IDSF licences. This is not because I am anti -IDSF only in opposition to their current policies of restriction. It is clear that in the past  WDC also tried to operate similar types of action but fortunately appear to have learnt by their mistakes. It is a shame that if someone changes their mind in this way they are accused of making a u-turn and if they don't change their mind they are seen as dictatorial. You can't win!

Given the personalties involved in both Organisations I would always choose those who have been there and done it over those who never were and developed chips on their shoulders. But then again that's just me and why I don't  hold an IDSF licence despite the offers of getting one for free,

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keggs
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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

segunda-feira, 28 de abril de 2008 15:48

Dear moderate man

Don't hold back in your aggression. Do carry on. I take exception to your view of me. I am both a professional in both. I just don't happen to support organisations that purport to represent me but are themselves intent on wanting exactly the same thing they accuse another organisation of wanting - control of dancing world wide. Neither the IDSF nor the WDC are any different in this.

Equally, as for this debacle between the IDSF and WDC the cause of the problems we have can only be shared by BOTH the IDSF and WDC. Both are totally to blame for all of this. The IDSF may have have done things which you consider to be wrong but (and surprisingly and thankfully you also have the guts to admit it) the WDC have also done similar things in the past. And are continuing to do so - the Amateur League for instance,

The problem with all this is that both sides (I repeat both sides) believe they have the God given right to run worldwide Dance Sport and run it as they see fit. They don't.

So what's the solution. Accusing fellow BDF members as being shameful for not sending their IDSF licences back is no answer. It also attacks members of the BDF who might just happen to take a different view from their colleagues.

There is only one answer and that is for both sides to grow up, drop their antagonsim and start working together for the benefit of everyone regardless of whether they are professional, amateur, social dancer, beginner. Whatever.

In the long run, dropping professional and amateur has got to happern. It is a useless and meaningless conceprt now.

Now as for intimidation etc which the anti IDSF people keep mentioning (and yes you are anti IDSF moderate man despite stating otherwise - your previous comments only reinforce this view) the IDSf as is the WDC well within its rights to ban, expel or discipline anyone that flouts their rules. It's called being part of a democratic club. You mention the BDF read this direct quote from the rulebook.

Any member who in the opinion of the Federation offends against the rules of the Federation, or who acts in such a manner as to bring the profession into disrepute, will be required to resign from the Federation forthwith.

I agree. I also agree that the IDSF has the right to recognise or not recognise any particular competition and discipline any member that flouts their ruling. Whether they should do so is another matter. But to argue that the IDSF is wrong and the WDC is right just because your own prejudices favour one over the other is just another step along the road to seeing our sport destroyed.

 

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onyourtoes
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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

segunda-feira, 28 de abril de 2008 16:08

@Keggs.  I am sorry but yet again I find you offensive.  Only you are right. and only you can be trusted.  A party of ONE must be lonely-   Unfortunately you are evasive.

Just answer

1. Do you believe IDSF has the right to deny Professionals to practise their Profession-

I think NO.

2.  Do you believe that BDF and BDFI members who bow to such pressure have brought their organisation into disrepute?

I think YES.

 

This has nothing to do with anti or pro IDSF/WDC it is only to do with the rights of highly qualified and respected Professionals being able to perform their trade..

 

 

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keggs
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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

segunda-feira, 28 de abril de 2008 17:29

Dear onyourtoes. How have I offended you. If by disagreeing with your views is being offensive then don't you think that's a bit silly.

How have I been evasive? You and certain others have decided to put your feet (sorry for the pun) in one camp. I on the hand believe that both sides are to blame. I am also the only one here that appear to have suggested solutions while everyone else here simply want to continue slagging off all and sundry.

I have been accused of being 'unprofessional' whatever that really means nowadays. Is that because I am not prepared to support an organisation which I believe has let the dancing world down for decades.

As for your questions.

1. The answer is obviousluy no. But I don't also believe your assertion that the IDSF is trying to do just that.

2. What pressure have BDF member bowed to. The BDF is doing more than anyone at the moment to try and bring both parties together. Or are they bringing the profession into disrepute for doing so.

I beg to differ with your last statement. Most of the vitriol from many on this forum is aimed at the IDSF. It takes 2 to Tango doesn't it?

 

Best wishes

Steve

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onyourtoes
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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

segunda-feira, 28 de abril de 2008 20:32

@Keggs.  You ask wha tI find offensive.

Let me explain

IN general ypur attitude.A frustrated person who could not convince others on their crazy ideas so therefore they cannot be trusted. but you must

Then and most especially your use of terms like "garbage" and "BS". and your attempts to divert attention away from the topic.  Most crrtainly your BS is not needed.

 

Your last words "you beg to differ".   What on earth does that mean.  Most of the opinions on this website have nothing to do with the topic. 

If peopler are against IDSF then it is with just cause.  Can you not understand that?

The topic is the oppression by IDSF in dictating that Professionals who hold an IDSF licence cannot adjudicate at a certain event.  Do you agree with this or not.  Yes or No.

 

You support oppression. and restriction of trade? Yes or No.

 

The topic is the integrity of those who are supposed to uphold the rights of Professionals to perform their professional duties  free from threats and restrictions.  If they cannot perform this simple task then they should not hold office.  You agree?  Yes or No.  

Should the President of the BDC the member of the WDC  upholds threats and restriction of trade against his members  Answer Yes or No.

The executive of BDF and BDFI are committed to the protection of the imembers. Can thy have integrity and support ths attack on their members rights?  Yes or No.

 

Lets stick just with the topic please Keggs and no more offensive comments.

 

No one suggested BDF members had bowed to pressure.  IDSF were threatening. 

If this thtreat is upheld then how can BDF and BDFI officers continue in the restriction of members rights when they are bound to protect those rights.  It is offensive that you attempt to pretend otherwise.

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